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sean: heimy town is isolated? >> rush limbaugh said some things, at the end of the day it's a free market and free society. sean: martha maccallum is in for greta. take it away. martha: thanks very much. make no mistake the battle is just beginning. one health care bill has cleared the hurdle in the senate. but is the government run option, the public option as it's been called alive and well still? what happens now with all this? rick santorum is up next. breaking news about 17-year-old rifqa bary, she converted from islam to christianity. she ran away from home. she was afraid her family would kill her for changing religions. there is big, big news on this tonight. and, this rush limbaugh getting attacked over all angles for his attempt to buy the rams. rush is back with a vengeance fighting this one. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org--
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martha: good evening. i'm i'm martha maccallum in for gwen. it a vote 14 ownership 9 agreed to send the baucus plan out of committee into the senate after a little bit more finessing. now, only one republican voted for the baucus bill this afternoon. that was senator olympia snowe from maine, making it technically bipartisan. should democrats though really celebrate over getting one crossover vote, and did anybody ever read what they were voting on in the first place on this bill? joining me live is rick santorum of pennsylvania. good to have you with us tonight. welcome. >> thank you, martha. martha: what does this mean? am i getting health care reform? is my life changing because of this bill passing from the senate to the floor. >> no. in fact, the bill that came out of the finance committee is not going to go before the senate. what's going to happen is that the majority leader is in the process right now, harry reid is sitting down with the health committee, which was ted kennedy's committee, that passed
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the bill out several months ago and with max baucus. those two committees have to put another bill together which will be more like the house bill than it is like the finance committee. what you have seen is the best attempt of the democrats to get a republican, a bipartisan bill and they got olympia snowe only, as he says, on a procedural ground. in other words, just to move it forward. then she has still serious reservations about the bill. you saw joe lieberman come out today and say he can't vote for this bill. again, it's only going to get worse from his perspective. they are in big trouble. martha: olympia snowe says when history calls, history calls. she went on to say my vote today is my vote today. it doesn't forecast what my vote will be tomorrow. what does she mean by all of that, do you think? >> you have got to love owe limp i can't. i have served with her on the committee for four years. i have heard those words before. olympia is igmatmatic.
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you have to sit back and wonder where she is going to go and sometimes she will surprise you, sometimes she will stick to her guns and insist on certain things being in the legislation. i think she did that with max baucus. this bill was drafted to get her vote. it got her vote. but i think it just shows you, even though they drafted this bill to get her vote, she is now saying it's just for today. it may not be for tomorrow. if you are the democrats and going to draft this to get olympia snowe. you will run in circles to get this done. martha: they have to end up crafting it for the american people. the american people have not been shy about speaking out on this issue as we saw through the course of this hot summer. when they find out that the public option may very well be back on the table, in this story story, you are going to hear a lot. folks are going to hear quite a bit from them. >> the mainstream media try to discount and marginalize the
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people at the tea parties and marginalize the public sentiment on this. democrats i talked to who still insist the american public supports the public option. it's just these cranks at the town meeting. they are misreading what's going on across america. they are isolated. these are many folks who actually didn't even have town meetings. they are trying to insulate themselves, thinking that they have a very popular president who once they get this done can go out and sell it to the american public. i would just suggest that while august was a very important time, they -- you have not penetrated here in washington quite yet. martha: fascinating. senator rick santorum. always good to sigh. thanks for coming on tonight. >> thank you, martha. martha: see you soon. moments ago mike went on the record. take a look at this. good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you very much. >> so, you voted against the baucus bill today. tell me why. >> well, most people in america want health care reform for one of two reasons. first to control the skyrocketing cost of health
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care, their own health insurance and their cost. second, to get greater coverage for those uninsured or don't have adequate access to health care. this bill does neither very well. with regard to the cost of health care, we will see the cost of our health care go up. and, in addition, we see about a trillion dollars of new federal spending off set by $400 billion of cuts in medicare, and a new 500 billion-dollars worth of taxes, the majority of which will fall squarely on the back of the middle class who president obama promised would not be taxed. martha: you know, i think a lot of people hear that and then they hear the other side tell them over time it's going to actually save money. the c.b.o. seemed to go on the side of this baucus bill. then we got the report we got from the insurers that said whoa, hold on, it's actually going to cost you a lot more. a lot of people looked at that report and said it was too self-serving for the insurers. which side? how do the people know which numbers to believe. >> be very careful when they say bend the cost curve.
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that's a popular phrase around here. when you are talking about the cost of health care to the american people, like the cost of their insurance, the cost of procedures and medical device and so forth, that's the real cost of health care. those who are saying that this bill is balanced and that it really does pay for itself, are talking about the cost to the federal government. and what they are saying is not that it's going to control the spiraling cost of health care. it won't. and it's going to drive it up. what they are saying is that we have got $500 billion of taxes and $400 billion of cuts in medicare that are going to offset an expansion of federal spending of about 820 or $850 billion. martha: i heard orrin hatch say something very interesting today. he said a couple years back we tried to cut some money out of medicare and democrats screamed and yelled about it now they want to cut hundreds of billions of dollars out of medicare. and they are saying, you know, this is great efficiency. you know, what are people to make of that? you know, it's a good point. >> well, it's an excellent point.
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i remember that debate. i was here when we had it. we were trying to pare down the level of -- the rate of increase so we would reduce, i think it was about $30 billion of increase over the next 10 years. you would have thought that we were ending the world as we know it. now, this bill is going to cut $400 billion out of medicare and, as i just said, and i think people should focus on this. in addition to that we are going to see taxes and penalties go up to the tune of 500 plus billion dollars. bill: i interviewed congressman wiener today from new york. he said this senate bill is one thing, but, when this gets back in the house, the public option will be in this bill. do you believe that? >> i think the odds of that are increasing because today the labor unions came out against this bill. they want something that's different. nancy pelosi has said she will take nothing but the public option. and a number of the key senators in the senate and number who voted today in the finance committee for this bill said they were doing so only to move it forward to the floor of the
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senate so that their nor conference with the house they could add the government option. i think you can very much expect a push to try to get that accomplished. martha: so what are republicans? what are you going to do about this debate now? in the senate, you should have a stronger voice than republicans are going to have. in the house it's going to be even tougher for them. for people who agree with you out there, what hope do they have of having any real voice in what's going to happen to their health care? >> well, you know, right now i think it's very close because the american public for months and months has been weighing in very strongly. and even those who would like to vote for a government option or even those who would like to vote for the taxes and spending in this bill, are getting nervous about it. and i really believe that if the american people will pay attention now, and not let the game be changed. you know, this bill that we voted on today is literally being rewritten in some places behind closed doors in the capitol as we speak. then it will be merged again in the house. if people will pay attention to that and weigh in, i think it
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can have an influence on how the votes are taken. martha: is it your belief that the effort of republicans will to be mitigate the impact of this and the president wants to sign something most likely, so are you folks going to be working to sort of keep pushing the ball as much as you can so that you water it down, i guess? >> i think our main objective is to make it clear that there are bipartisan and well-supported ideas that can bend the true cost curve down and can help us get a better handle on coverage for those who are undercovered. we need to make sure that people understand that i believe that if we can once get to the point where we stop this effort for a government takeover and we stop the effort for a massive expansion of government spending and government taxing, then we can get to some middle ground that the american public will support. but it's going to be a long, hard fight until we get there. >> indeed it is. you say people need to stay engaged if they are interested in the outcome of this. we are trying to get them. thank you for being with us tonight. good to talk to you, sir.
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>> thank you. >> coming up next, duling audits. one report that we just mentioned says the baucus bill will raise your insurance premiums quite a bit over time. another report is saying exactly the opposite. that it will make those premiums go down. so what is the truth? we're going to dig into that. breaking news tonight about a 17-year-old muslim girl who converted to christianity. she ran away from home. she was afraid that she would be the subject of an honor killing. that her family would kill her for converting. there is big, big news tonight in her case. tools are uncomplicated? nothing complicated about a pair of 10 inch hose clamp pliers. you know what's complicated? shipping. shipping's complicated. not really. with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service shipping is easy. if it fits, it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. that's not complicated. come on. how about...a handshake. alright. priority mail flat rate boxes only from the postal service.
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martha: we have breaking news coming into fox. robert wexler is reportedly about to resign from congress. according to the miami herald the 48-year-old florida congressman will officially resign at a news conference tomorrow morning. now, florida law requires a special election to replace him. we are looking forward to finding out exactly why mr. mr. wexler is stepping down. there is some information that he has a new job. a lot of speculation about what that might be. stay tuned. we have more on that coming up. and it is the case of the dueling audits. a recent audit of the baucus health care bill done by price waterhouse coopers for the industry. finding that the bill that went through today would actually hike insurance premiums substantially on families for the next decade. but then hold the phone, because senate democrats had an mitt economist look at the report and he found it to be deeply flawed.
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he says the premiums would go down over that period of time. who are you supposed to believe? joining me now is senior economic writer for the "wall street journal." i'm reminded of those times when they get 100 economists to all agree on something and then they get 100 economists to all agree on something else. big list of them in the paper. somebody said they wanted to find an economist, i think it was truman who only had one hand. they always say well, on the other hand. to who are we to believe? >> well, march that i will answer that question in a minute. but i do want to say this. i think today was a dark day for freedom. i think we really retreated in terms of our free market system. and i think we moved a step closer to a government-run healthcare system as you have been talking about. so i'm really disturbed by that and you know the big three money safers were not in this bill. there is no medical malpractice reform. there is no high deductible policies. in fact, those are outlawed under this bill. there is no interstate ability for people to buy insurance out of state. this is not going to cut costs in my opinion. it's going to raise costs.
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this is the source of this dispute between these audits, martha. of the one audit from the price waterhouse said look, this is going to raise people's health care costs over the next 10 years very significantly and above how high costs would rise without the plan. the new plan says well, that's not the case. here is the interesting part about that second study, the one by the m.i.t. professor. he says look, those costs are not going to rise to individual policy holders because there is going to be very large taxpayer subsidies. but, all that means, martha, that instead of the worker paying for it. the taxpayer pays for it. it comes either out of your left pocket or your right pocket. but it does not dispute the fact that costs will go up to the system over the entire healthcare system. and that's going to mean that it's going to make it much harder for people to afford health insurance in the future. martha: yeah. you touched on something interesting, steve. i want to go back to you for a moment and that's the question of tort reform and it not being
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in this bill. the understanding of that is because lawyers have huge lobbyist groups. they don't want any of their income to be curtailed by any rules out there that say well, somebody takes out the wrong organ. they are supposed to take the left side and they take the right side. we don't want there to be any limit how much you can sue for that it's interesting to me that while that group is protected, the insurance companies are vilified for protecting their tuive tupper -- turf a bit by having -- >> you know who the second largest tributer to the democratic party was in 2008? it was the trial lawyers. this is payback for the trial lawyers. this is supposed to be a bill about reducing costs and shared sacrifice but the one group that doesn't have to sacrifice here are the trial lawyers who take a big bite out of our health care dollars. you know, the thing that i find really distressing about this bill, and i want to emphasize this again. about 80 to 85% of americans already have health insurance. we know from surveys that 80 to
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90% of those people are very satisfied with their health care. so, the problem with this bill, for the vast majority of americans, is there is no upside to this plan. it's only going to jeopardize the status of their plans as more employers drop their health care plan and go into the government system. many people won't be able to afford health care because it's going to be more expensive. i think the democrats are really playing with fire here because most americans are pretty happy with the health care they have. more march one of the ways they are going to generate revenue if you don't buy your own companies will be fined. >> that's right. martha: when you look at the uninsured. there are a good portion of the uninsured of young people who don't think they need to be. will they write their $1,000 checks to the government? con then us is about that conscientious 'that but not buying an insurance plan to start off. >> this is an important point. the reason this health insurance study is saying the cost also
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rise which is what they're predicting. i subscribe to this view. what will happen healthy people will opt out. they will pay the fine of 800 or $1,000 cheaper than health insurance. the sick people will sign up under the, you know, the guaranteed issuance and preexisting conditions that's going to lead to higher and higher costs. that causes a spiral. that's why the ultimate end where this bill goes. eventually we have a single pair government system because the costs are going tox employed. in fact, they are set up to do that. that's the point. this system that is being set up under the senate bill is designed to explode costs so that we have to have price controls and we have to have the government take over the health care program which is something the vast majority of americans do not want. at least i don't want it, martha. nice to see you. martha: thank you, steve. good to sigh, too. up next, mark furman goes on the record with new revelations
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about the nancy and drew peterson cases. it's going to make you interested in these cases all over again. he accused drew peterson to his face of murdering his wife stacy. find out what happened then? mark fuhrman is next. i'm gunna do another one of my sleep studies.
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martha: mark fuhrman shot to international fame during the o.j. simpson trial and some of the most notorious crime cases in history, including the casey anthony and drew peterson murder investigations. he is the author of the new book "the murder business." how the media turns crime into entertainment and subinvestigators justice. former l.a.p.d. homicide detective mark fuhrman joins us now. good to have you with us. >> thank you. martha: it's a fascinating read. i was going through it in my office this afternoon. i couldn't put it down. you are drawn into the story and you still wonder with all these cases what really happened that day. you try to answer some of those questions. you know, what drew to you write this book? >> well, actually, when i went through the simpson case, i was a cop, then way as a good cop. then i was a bad cop. then i had the media camped out in front of my house when i retired. then, you know, i am the
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est thing on the planet. then i write a few books and i start getting involved like the martha moxley case. so i actually saw it full circle and then working for fox, of course, fox gives me latitude and responsibility to actually triage some of these cases and try to keep us online with this balancing act between the news and compromising an investigation. so, i was kind of inspired not by watching fox, bowers i know what we're doing, but watching the other networks and listening to what's going on and watching them pay for the news and watching them pay for people to be on shows and tempting them and doing. >> what happens when you do that? what kind of responses do you get to some questions? i was reading the chapter on drew peterson and it brought me back into the cases and the stories that were involved in that. a couple of things popped out at me that you talked about.
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one of them was stacy peterson when she recounted to her pastor what had happened the night that she believes drew peterson killed kathleen savio and how she caught him. he came down stairs wearing all black. she catches him putting women's clothing into a washing machine. i remember that. >> that was done in segments because that's how we fed it out when we could. when we could is an operative way that we have to do this. you just can't dump something because it does trickle out in small pieces. but neil shorey, the minister, very brave man, because he had a balancing act. i tried to describe that, a balancing act between the responsibility to a human being and the responsibility to his vows and which trumps which? do no harm and the victim is the number one person we are talking about. stacy told him so somebody was left to actually tell her story.
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martha: you were able to talk to him and help him to see on his own that that was what she probably wanted. you think that he didn't plan to kill stacy peterson. you confronted him with it. what did he say to you when you looked at him and said "you killed her, didn't you?" >> well, he was typically drew peterson. he smiled, laughed and engaging self. this was his power. he was able to draw people in, women especially. he had a good rap. he was able to probably be a fairly good police officer with it but he also used this as his power to actually manipulate and control. he knows that i know. and when we actually talked, he tried to actually manipulate me by telling me come on, we are cops. like i said, you cross the line. and to answer your question, i don't think it's intentional. i think it's rarely intentional when you have a murder that occurs with other people in the
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house in their home, where the removal of the body is difficult, when all these things are now complications to clean up instead of careful planning. greta: you said you thought it was a fight and she died in the course of that fight most likely or he killed her in the course of that fight. similar thing may have happened with casey anthony and caylee and the way you lay it occupant in the book and what you describe happened that day. you think she killed her maybe accidentally or maybe intentionally and tried to get rid of her body. >> i think it's more difficult whether you have a 3-year-old to actually try to describe how they died. could have been a an accident. could have been a moment of rage. she could have been swimming in the pool without supervision. i mean, all these things that casey anthony was just not going to take responsibility for. but now it's first degree murder. greta: so many interesting details in the book including the one about when you went to go in and talk to george and cindy anthony and you noticed that their house was so incredibly meticulous
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everywhere. how does someone who keep this kind of house notice that their granddaughter was missing for several weeks. >> the denial. i had to tell them that the first day i was in florida. i said you know your granddaughter is dead. detectives actually project themselves into somewhat how they would respond. even being callus and hardened by what they do. i would be so debilitated by the death of a child, my child that i doubt if i would care what the house looked like for months or ever. martha: mark fuhrman, it's a fascinating book. thank you so much for being with us tonight. >> thank you. martha: coming up next, hugebreak breaking news in the case of 17-year-old rifqa bary. she converted from islam to christianity. she ran away from home afraid that her family would kill her for converting. something big has happened in this story. rush limbaugh under assault. his critic does not want him to buy an nfl team. they are doing everything they can to stop it.
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martha: breaking news tonight in the case of 17-year-old rifqa bary. she converted from islam to christianity and then she ran away from her ohio home. she was afraid that her family, she said, would kill her for changing religions. now a judge in florida has just ordered her to go back home to ohio. fox news phil keating joins me now live. phil, welcome. good evening to you. tell me a little bit about the judge and exactly what he based his ruling on. >> well, is he basing it strictly on jurisdictional qualifications. number one, she ran away from columbus, ohio on a greyhound bus, turned up in orlando, florida, and then went to stay for two, two and a half weeks with a couple of pastors who have a church called the global revolution church. authorities had no contact that
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2 week period where around the nation rifqa bary was, especially her parents. they were very concerned. they filed a missing child report the day they discovered her missing. well, that opened up the case, once it was finally revealed that she was actually in florida. that opened up a florida judicial juvenile court case here in orange county. after that her parents back in columbus, their attorneys then filed a dependency claim there in franklin county, which is the county where columbus, ohio is the county seat. so now you have got two different courts, two juvenile courts in two different states, both of which have legitimate claims of jurisdiction but that case in florida, since all of the allegations of her running away and her allegations that her father would have to kill her and has threatened her with physical violence in the past all happened in columbus ohio. the judge here in florida had emergency jurisdiction in place the conference called 2:30
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hearing which was packed who came with their old testaments, new test wants as they have done every conference here. judge call you know what? there is jurisdictional superiority in columbus, ohio. so as soon as the attorney for the parents of rifqa bary provide this judge here in orlando all immigration and citizenship documents, visa documents to prove that the family and rifqa are in this country legally, then once he feels all of those papers are properly filed and in order, then he will allow her to be escorted back to columbus, ohio with a guardian ad litem. martha: all right, phil, thank you so much. so far the judge is basically relying on jurisdiction jurisdictional issues and not getting into the questions of whether or not her parents would do anything to her if she went back. that's what we want to get into
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a little bit now. thank you very much. joining with us more is criminal defense attorney and ted williams. welcome, gentlemen, good to you have here. >> my flesh. >> good evening, martha. >> a story to get your arms around. you need to establish, mark, don't you, first of all whether or not there is any real threat of violence to this girl coming from her own family. >> that's what's missing in this case. several agencies have done extensive investigations including the florida department of law enforcement and have found that there is no credible threat that's been made and that being said, she bears the burden of proof. this is a 17-year-old who like every 17-year-old belongs with her parents. she has to prove. she has the burden to show that there is the threat threat of bodily harm and she has failed to do so. martha: what do we know about the people she is with in florida? what specific place she went in florida and what role they have played in this?
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>> well, they welcomed her in. they share the same religious belief. she felt comfort with them. her father, it's no surprise, a muslim, said, look, i'm not pleased about her changing her religion, but that falls short of him saying "i'm going to kill you." these people in florida welcomed her in. she felt comfortable and safe, and that's why she went. martha: ted, what's your take on this? do you think this girl is in imminent danger and that her family wants to hurt her or is this something that, you know, this 17-year-old is sort of creating for herself? something creating, this is what i understand she said no one has known jesus, i am the first, imagine the honor of killing me. you must understand the koran.
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while it doesn't say go out and kill somebody as part of an honor killing, it says women are charitable. they have to acquiesce to a man. the sad commentary here is that i not only believe that this young girl's life was in danger in ohio but i think it is in danger in florida, also. and the sad part about. >> very strongly. >> anybody will be able to protect this young girl. >> go ahead, marc. >> ted makes a passionate, articulate argument. it falls short, number one, because there is no evidence to back it up. number two i think what he is doing is unfair to. lump these parents in with radical muslims, who do believe in honor killings, there are people out there who strongly believe in that. but it's fact-sensitive. how can ted who doesn't know these parents lump them in with ho wish their own children dead? martha: hold on. i don't want to overlook that. we all remember the story of the two girls. >> they are out there.
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martha: that's a minute, ted. >> that's what we have to be concerned about. we are so concerned about the parents. let me just say, parents have also been involved in honor killings. i am not saying these parents are. i'm simply saying that the fact that she has gone against the koran and the islamic faith and became a christian. that in and of itself could lead to her being killed. martha: isn't that in some way an unfair general generalization to say because she is muslim and because her family always has been they are going to be in this horrific way. they live in this country. they let their daughter be a cheerleader. they let her go to public school and mix with other kinds of public people. >> martha, it isn't so much about her family. it's about other people collaterally associated with the islamic faith that would be willing to take her out in an honor killing. martha: no doubt, they are more familiar with the story now. >> they can't find her in foster care? move her to ohio? >> find her no matter where she is at.
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martha: thank you very much. that is where she is going. to foster care and not her parents yet. psychological evaluations done of the child and of the parents and we will be continuing to follow this story at fox news, of course. thank you, gentlemen. coming up next here, you bailed out the bank of america to a tune of $45 billion. and then they turned around and decided to hand out billions in executive bonuses. do you remember this? there is big news and emails that went back and forth that may prove what they knew. wait until you hear. this and, also, rush limbaugh in the middle of a big controversy. he wants to buy the st. louis rams. his critics are trying with all they have to stop that from happening. rush is fighting back today on his show in his own words. we will let you hear them coming up. we know why we're here.
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martha: we have got much more "on the record" for you ahead
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first let's's go to ainsley earhardt with the headlines. >> hi, martha. thank you so much. president obama indicating his decision on whether or not to send more troops to afghanistan is still weeks away at this point. the white house announcing more high-level meetings have been added to discuss possible changes in strategy. the u.s. commander in afghanistan has asked for thousands of more troops. senator john kerry, the head of the foreign relations committee says he is very weary of sending in more u.s. forces. and word coming just a short time ago of a reprieve for a delaware first grader. zachery kristi faced 45 at as in a school for troublemakers. the 6-year-old had bought his favorite -- brought his favorite camping utensil to school to eat his lunch it was a combination, knife, fork, and spoon. and they saw it as a weapon. zero tolerance required the punishment and the school board making changes tonight. zachery faces just a short suspension. i'm ainsley earhardt. now back to "on the record" with martha. martha: breaking news tonight about bank of america's controversial purchase of
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merrill lynch. as you know, the bank of america received a bailout of $45 billion from american taxpayers. this winter, bank of america bought merrill lynch as we all remember. now, merrill was going under when bank of america bought it. but its executives were then rewarded with $3.6 billion in bonuses. bank of america shareholders were not told about those bonuses when they made the deal and there is news on this tonight. joining us is louise story a financial reporter for the "new york times." louise, you have exclusively obtained some very interesting emails that went back and forth between the board members while this deal was being negotiated and from what you have told us so far, some of these emails are pretty outrageous. when were they sent and what do they say exactly? and set up for us why it is so significant what these executives and these board members knew that obviously was not being shared with the public and the shareholders. >> this is the first trickle of a lot of documentation we are going to see.
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the bank of america just waived its right to keep legal documents secret. i obtained these. they were turned over to a any in the house. they are emails that were sent in january among board members right when the government was providing a second bailout. and while the board of directors was on a conference call, you had a couple board members emailing each other saying things like, unfortunately, it's screw the shareholders. and these were incredibly candid, blunt emails, the kind that these directors never thought would see the light of day. but they are very critical of the situation as the directors are listening about the second bailout. martha: so now the point here really is that bank of america was in the process of buying merrill lynch. there is a lot of evidence that henri paulson was really, you know, insisting to ken lewis. he said, you know, we are going to make sure you are removed from your job unless you go through with this deal. you must buy merrill lynch.
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ken lewis gets wind of the fact there are all these bonuses that have to be paid out. and ken lewis is much sorier position than anyone in the public knows at this point. while all of this is happening, these board members are emailing each other saying oh boy, this is really going to screw the shareholders? >> yes. i have also found out that the house committee, which is led by adull fuss in new york, they have gotten emails between members of the board where they say they regret doing the deal just days after the deal was announced in september. that from the start you had a board of directors with extreme misgivings, really questioning the management and the decisions they were making. and this is all just starting to come to light now. martha: luis, on the surface it must look like wow it was bad of these board members to do this to the shareholders when they knew that the company was in such horrible, horrible shape. on the other hand, doesn't it also point the finger back to henri paulson and say are they going to want to ask him some
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more questions about why he jammed this deal down the shareholders' throats as well. >> there is blame to go all around. actually, when you read these emails in full between the board of directors, on the one hand you can say they look a evil evil. on the other hand you can say a lot of the board of directors members are significant shareholders themselves. at times they actually see to be lamenting about the shareholder value that was lost because it's affected their savings, too. they are saying unfortunately it's screw the shareholders, they're talking about themselves, and they were very frustrated. martha: i'm sure there were shareholders more personally damaged than they were given the economic makeup of most of these board members. do you think we will see indictments? is the government going to want to talk to some of these people about it. >> once what these investigations are doing is they are looking for who is to blame. they are trying to figure out which executives made the decisions not to disclose the bonuses, not to disclose merrill's devastating fourth
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quarter losses. and the documents that the bank is turning over now may give investigators enough evidence to figure out who to charge. there is some investigators thinking about charging ken lewis. so they are looking at that right now. martha: luis, thank you so much. this is the tip of the iceberg as you say. we will hear about this in the coming days and weeks. thanks for tipping us off to it coming up next, we have got rush limbaugh in his own words for you on the people trying to stop his bid to buy the st. louis rams. he is very upset about it you are going to hear about it in detail. and maria shriver in trouble with her husband, apparently. the governator, apparently the law is the law no matter how are married to. we will tell you what we are talking about when we come back.
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martha: here is the best of the rest. rush limbaugh is under fire. his critics do not want him to be any part of any nfl team. in the nfl commissioner accused of a divisive comments. he has a response to them. >> when i started this radio program in 1988, i have never been called a racist, homophobic, began. people who knew me never thought that. then i get on the radio as a conservative and then i start being attacked as a racist, cystic -- sexes, the, homophobe. there was nobody that could give me any guidance. i just got a bunch of advise. there were two pieces of a bygone. rush, you got to get back.
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you cannot let people ruin your reputation. you have to fight back. i would take that advice and their critics would just laugh with glee, aha, we must have hit a home run. they would just add to the sneers. then other people would say, you are bigger than all that combined. you have to ignore it. if you acknowledge it, you elevate it. those are always the two options that you have. there are mitigating factors. when either one race is brought into, you cannot withstand that. if people are trying to destroy the reputation and credibility by attacking you as a racist, you have to stand up. we are in the process behind the scenes working to get apologies and retractions with the force
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of legal action against every journalist who has published these entirely fabricated quot es about me, slavery, and james earl ray. and never said them. we have tracked them. we do not know the identity, but we know where they came from. a. blogger -- a single blogger, on sourced. wikipedia said it was undisputed. i never said them. i even told reporters that i never said them. one reporter said, do not worry about it, you created a masterful publicity stunt. meaning it was just a publicity stunt. enjoy the controversy. martha: that controversy is clearly not over. it looks like maria shriver has some explaining to do. she was caught on camera talking on her cell phone in her car,
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which cannot do in california. it was posted on tmz. they said there would be swift action. finally, what is there not to love about the leader of the free world dancing on camera? the obama family got down on camera. you can see the president, first lady, sasha and malia getting in on the fun. he remarked that latin movement -- music makes us move a little bit ourselves. still ahead, a huge news in the ongoing feud between conan o'brien and cory booker. is there a summit in the words? cone in tells you, next. -- conan tells you, next witteki.
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>> time for tonight's last call. a situation may soon be resolved, the battle between the conan o'brien and cory booker. he made some crack about new work on the air. check it out. >> mayor booker and i have come to our senses. i am happy to announce that this friday, cory booker will make an appearance right here on the "tonight show."
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we are going to bury the hatchet. i want to prepare starting today. i want to set a conciliatory tone. i will stop writing on them. i will share with you some of the things that make new york a great. the majestic court in newark. it is a largest volume of [unintelligible] if you own a coup 2:00 or cheese, what are they came from newark. the fighting highlanders -- 51 game losing streak. way to go, islanders. good for you. cory booker, you have a lot to be proud of. you are the first newark mayor since 1962 to not be convicted since 1962 to not be convicted

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